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I dont know how much relevance you guy might think this has to the article but "Jolly Rogers" is also the official/unofficial author of the Anarchist Cookbook (hehe which makes perfect sense now since the book is pretty much about scamming, stealing, and just being an all around pirate). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.213.82.112 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 1 June 2008
The article indicates that a Jolly Roger is the pirate flag, and skull and crossbones is the symbol commonly found on it. Which means most of the "sports" examples belong in the latter category unless explicitly depicted on a flag (like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers). If there are no objections, I'm going to start moving those examples to the other article. SixFourThree (talk) 20:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That argument can be made sure, but a Jolly Roger is historically often defined as a "flag featuring the skull and crossbones" or a black such, rather than "pirate flag" in general. It appears in the 1720s, by which time the black skull and bones flag had become the default pirate flag in the new world. By this definition i feel the sports flags can stay, as they most likely got their design from pirae usage, rather than old cavalry flags or danger symbols. This article is, however, full or errors and needs heavy cleanup (Odin gimme strength). The "Historical designs" section is 90% erroneous.--Blockhaj (talk) 01:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To further elaborate on the name; jolly probably refers to the toothy grin of a skull and roger can mean a variety of morbid things, especially for the period, the most notable being the devil. "Jolly Roger" can thus mean something akin to "the devil is coming for you and he is happy about it". Blockhaj (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The skull and crossbones has the same toothy grin. I'm going to move all examples that aren't of actual flags into that article. 02:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
The historical design section is growing, which is great, but there is now a need to make sections for specific popular designs which were used by various pirates, as to describe period descriptions and which pirates likely used the design, as this cannot be covered in the gallery description for each flags, as the text would become too long. Some flags has quasi-established names, like Old Roger, which can be used as preliminary headlines, with further explanation below, but some other flags need names. The design with a single skull could preliminary be designated "death's head flag", with "Jolly Roger" being used as the headline for the classic design and its derivatives. Flags with skeletons could have the headline "skeleton flags". And so fourth. Blockhaj (talk) 04:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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