Wikipedia:Templates for discussion
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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.
How to use this page
[edit]What not to propose for discussion here
[edit]The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:
- Stub templates
- Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
- Userboxes
- Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
- Speedy deletion candidates
- If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}. See also WP:T5.
- Policy or guideline templates
- Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
- Template redirects
- List at Redirects for discussion.
- Moving and renaming
- Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.
Reasons to delete a template
[edit]- The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
- The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
- The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
- The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.
Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.
Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.
Listing a template
[edit]To list a template for deletion or merging, adhere to the following three-step process. Utilizing Twinkle is strongly recommended as it automates and simplifies these steps. To use Twinkle, click TW in the toolbar (top right of the page), then select XFD. Do not include the "Template:" prefix in any of the steps, unless specifically instructed otherwise.
Step | Instructions |
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I: Tag the template. | Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:
Note:
Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:
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II: List the template at TfD. |
If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add Use an edit summary such as Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the {{subst:Catfd2|category name}} | and paste the following text to the top of the list:
III: Notify users. | Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:
to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Deletion sorting lists are a possible way of doing that. Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases. |
Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.
After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors
[edit]While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.
To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.
Notifying related WikiProjects
[edit]WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{subst:Tfd notice}} for this.
Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
Notifying substantial contributors to the template
[edit]While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.
At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)
Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.
Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.
Twinkle
[edit]Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. To use Twinkle, click its dropdown menu in the toolbar in the top right of the page: TW , and then click 'XFD'.
Note that Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.
Discussion
[edit]Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.
People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.
Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.
Closing discussion
[edit]Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.
Current discussions
[edit]- Template:Pocketpair (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Only contains two links, Pocketpair and Palworld. Too early for a useful navbox to be created. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:WikiProject Thomas (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject Animation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:WikiProject Thomas with Template:WikiProject Animation.
WP:Thomas is not a WikiProject, but a task force @ Wikipedia:WikiProject Animation/Thomas & Friends task force. Create |thomas=yes
within {{WikiProject Animation}}, then replace all ~330 instances of {{WikiProject Thomas
with {{WikiProject Animation|thomas=yes
, then delete {{WikiProject Thomas}}. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:49, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:WikiProject Open Access (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject Open (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:WikiProject Open Access with Template:WikiProject Open.
WP:Open Access is not a WikiProject, but an inactive task force @ Wikipedia:WikiProject Open/Open access task force. Create |access=yes
within {{WikiProject Open}}, then replace all ~809 instances of {{WikiProject Open Access
with {{WikiProject Open|access=yes
, then delete {{WikiProject Open Access}}. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:40, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- support I established the open access project and supported the general open project. The open project never took off, and is inactive. The open access project has mostly moved to d:Wikidata:WikiCite, and in that form, is among the most active Wikidata WikiProjects. I support the merge. Bluerasberry (talk) 15:44, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:WikiProject Bradford (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject Yorkshire (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:WikiProject Bradford with Template:WikiProject Yorkshire.
WP:Bradford is not a WikiProject, but a defunct subproject @ Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire/Bradford. Create |Bradford=yes
within {{WikiProject Yorkshire}}, then replace all ~228 instances of {{WikiProject Bradford
with {{WikiProject Yorkshire|Bradford=yes
, then delete {{WikiProject Bradford}}. Bradford importance params don't need to be migrated since the WP is defunct. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:28, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per reasons given by nominator --Jameboy (talk) 13:29, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Simple single use table. Subst to article and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 11:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Simple single use image with legend. Subst to article and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 11:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Simple single use table. Subst to article and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 11:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Recent Annual Budget Expenditure in Zambia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused Zambia related table. Gonnym (talk) 11:05, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unused ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused navbox for a former municipality. It seems the pages have been changed to use {{Kuldīga Municipality}}. Gonnym (talk) 11:02, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unused ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:SkyRail Bahia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unused ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 10:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unused ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Time Box (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused time related table. Probably replaced with other code. Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unused ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused as London Broncos uses the table directly. Gonnym (talk) 09:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:45, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - currently very much used.Fleets (talk) 15:49, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Its not. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:23, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- update to include London Broncos#2025 squad since that will soon be used in 2025 London Broncos season when the season starts. that is, unless we are talking about merging all of these with the season articles. Frietjes (talk) 21:33, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Seems pointless to create a template that gets deleted each year. Either just link with a {{Main}} to 2025 London Broncos season or section transclude. Gonnym (talk) 10:26, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- it doesn't get deleted, but updated to include the current squad. however, I think a better design would be for 2025 London Broncos season to house the 2025 squad and then transclude that section into the main London Broncos article (and the current squads article if one exists for this league). but, as I said, unless we are talking about merging all of these with the season articles, I would say keep this one for consistency. Frietjes (talk) 16:29, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Seems pointless to create a template that gets deleted each year. Either just link with a {{Main}} to 2025 London Broncos season or section transclude. Gonnym (talk) 10:26, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 05:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Odyssey (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
An inline citation template for an external link resource of the Odyssey. Not currently used in any mainspace articles. Requesting deletion so the navbox of this subject, {{Odyssey navbox}}, may move to this temp's name. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- It looks potentially useful; perhaps it could be renamed to something obvious, like "Template:Odyssey-Perseus". Then editors would still have the option of employing it. Many of us may not have been aware of its existence, although I'm sure the Greek subject editors would have more opportunities than I will. P Aculeius (talk) 14:53, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep and move. We have a number of similar templates which generate links to Perseus, such as
{{Thucydides}}
,{{Iliad}}
,{{Cite Plutarch}}
, and so on (see Category:Perseus Project templates), many of which seem to have at least some use. As such, I think renaming to "Template:Cite Odyssey" or "Template:Odyssey Perseus" (or similar) and then moving the navbox to "Template:Odyssey" would make the most sense, if moving is what's desired. It's worth noting that the naming situation is the same for{{Iliad}}
(Perseus template) and{{Iliad navbox}}
(navbox). – Michael Aurel (talk) 23:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC) - Delete. 16 years and not being used means that this isn't wanted or needed. Gonnym (talk) 11:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps, though, as noted above, probably very few editors realised that this template existed. Citations to the Odyssey in the form generated by the template, and with links to Perseus, are common on articles for mythological figures, and so I think this template could quite easily be integrated into existing articles (if desired), helping simplify the wikitext. In cases in which we have citations to the Odyssey without links, the template provides an especially convenient way for editors to add those links, without needing to (using Perseus's site) navigate to the relevant section for each citation, and then copy and paste the URL; the template generates the links automatically. This could save quite a bit of time when adding links to articles with numerous citations to the Odyssey. – Michael Aurel (talk) 15:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Citations typically ought to be to third-party sources, not citing the material itself, regardless of what it is. While other editors could find it useful, the fact that it has hardly been used or sought after shows our editors have no use for it. I'm sure third-party sources can cover whatever this temp can. There is no point in retaining an unused template on the basis that it could potentially be useful. It either is or is not. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Standard practice in Greek mythological articles is to cite statements to secondary sources, and then include the citation to the primary source behind that, within the same ref tag; so, pretty much all our articles cite primary sources (in addition to secondary ones). I'm not entirely sure what you mean by
I'm sure third-party sources can cover whatever this temp can
, but on the usefulness of this template, there is, at a minimum, one reason why it is helpful, which is that it makes adding convenience links easier. I've added my fair share of such links to Greek mythology articles, where they are pretty ubiquitous, and probably would have used such a template when adding links to the Odyssey if I had known about it. If the only concern here is that the template isn't used yet, then I'd be happy to implement it in various articles where it would be helpful; doing so wouldn't take long at all. – Michael Aurel (talk) 15:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)- The Odyssey is a single word, it's not hard to link to. The whole purpose of this template is to cite text from the Odyssey itself, but trying to find a use for a template that has largely been used just for the sake of not putting in the work to find secondary and third-party sources is counterintuitive and takes more work to find the specific chapter's link than it is to cite a different source on the web. There's a reason it has not been used in the 16 years it has been around. Wikipedia is not an indefinite holding space for such templates. If you feel strongly about linking to the Odyssey directly, that would be for an External links section, not as a citation. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Your argument seems to be that this template isn't useful because we simply shouldn't be citing primary sources at all. However, that's almost certainly never going to happen in this area, as pretty much all of our articles on Greek mythology cite primary sources (both the poorly-written and well-written ones) – the average article looks a bit like Dolius or Assaracus (only citations to primary sources) and the average well-written article looks a bit like Cyclopes (a mix of secondary and primary sources throughout). For a page such as Dolius, I see no reason why someone shouldn't be able to use this template to more easily (as explained above) add links to citations to the Odyssey – secondary sources are of course needed, but adding links alone is unquestionably an improvement, and there would be no reason to remove most (or any) of the citations to primary sources once secondary sources have been cited throughout. – Michael Aurel (talk) 02:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- The Odyssey is a single word, it's not hard to link to. The whole purpose of this template is to cite text from the Odyssey itself, but trying to find a use for a template that has largely been used just for the sake of not putting in the work to find secondary and third-party sources is counterintuitive and takes more work to find the specific chapter's link than it is to cite a different source on the web. There's a reason it has not been used in the 16 years it has been around. Wikipedia is not an indefinite holding space for such templates. If you feel strongly about linking to the Odyssey directly, that would be for an External links section, not as a citation. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Standard practice in Greek mythological articles is to cite statements to secondary sources, and then include the citation to the primary source behind that, within the same ref tag; so, pretty much all our articles cite primary sources (in addition to secondary ones). I'm not entirely sure what you mean by
- Citations typically ought to be to third-party sources, not citing the material itself, regardless of what it is. While other editors could find it useful, the fact that it has hardly been used or sought after shows our editors have no use for it. I'm sure third-party sources can cover whatever this temp can. There is no point in retaining an unused template on the basis that it could potentially be useful. It either is or is not. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps, though, as noted above, probably very few editors realised that this template existed. Citations to the Odyssey in the form generated by the template, and with links to Perseus, are common on articles for mythological figures, and so I think this template could quite easily be integrated into existing articles (if desired), helping simplify the wikitext. In cases in which we have citations to the Odyssey without links, the template provides an especially convenient way for editors to add those links, without needing to (using Perseus's site) navigate to the relevant section for each citation, and then copy and paste the URL; the template generates the links automatically. This could save quite a bit of time when adding links to articles with numerous citations to the Odyssey. – Michael Aurel (talk) 15:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 05:33, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Earth's location (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:LocationOfEarth-ImageMap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Earth's location with Template:LocationOfEarth-ImageMap.
Not sure if this is the best template to merge to, but we already have many templates on this one here. Interstellarity (talk) 00:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, the text template seems much easier to understand and navigate. Keeping these templates separate presents two ways of processing information. Unless they are merged in a very good navigational manner. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:00, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Earth's location in the Universe (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:LocationOfEarth-ImageMap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Earth's location in the Universe with Template:LocationOfEarth-ImageMap.
Not sure if this is the best template to merge to, but we already have many templates on this one here. Interstellarity (talk) 00:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
The MEAC no longer sponsors baseball. All former MEAC programs now play in the Northeast Conference, and those teams' venues are included in Template:Northeast Conference baseball venue navbox. Finchwidget (talk) 23:08, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused sidebar. Seems that bottom navigation template {{Christchurch mosque shootings}} is used instead. Which is also less intrusive and takes less visual space. Gonnym (talk) 11:28, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused template. Seems {{Celtic Wikipedias}} is the preferred version. Gonnym (talk) 11:27, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:BR-RS-Ipê (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused municipality flag icon. Gonnym (talk) 11:25, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Flashman novels (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:George MacDonald Fraser (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Flashman novels with Template:George MacDonald Fraser.
Huge overlap. I think there are only 3-4 articles here that aren't at the proposed target. I don't think we need two navboxes when one will do. --woodensuperman 15:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Mostly logical, but Tom Brown's School Days is a Flashman novel that wasn't written by Fraser. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose merging. You've miscounted, there are a lot of Fraser books not in the Flashman series. Certainly more than "3-4". Having templates with some degree of overlap is pretty common here. Seems like a solution in search of a problem. Templates are tiny, both in terms of server load and in their footprint on an article. Keep them both. John (talk) 15:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- No, I haven't miscounted, the only articles at {{Flashman novels}} that are not at {{George MacDonald Fraser}} are the three Tom Brown articles (Tom Brown, Harry "Scud" East, Tom Brown's School Days) and Harry Flashman. That's four. Arguably, the Tom Brown articles don't belong in either as they are minor characters in the Flashman series, and East is unreferenced and barely even notable anyway. So basically we've got an additional navbox just to accommodate the Tom Brown crossover articles. A merge would be simple. --woodensuperman 16:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, it would be simple to merge them. What benefit would accrue to our readers though? Still not seeing it. John (talk) 17:51, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- All the links would be in the same place and we'd avoid redundancy. --woodensuperman 21:29, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, it would be simple to merge them. What benefit would accrue to our readers though? Still not seeing it. John (talk) 17:51, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- No, I haven't miscounted, the only articles at {{Flashman novels}} that are not at {{George MacDonald Fraser}} are the three Tom Brown articles (Tom Brown, Harry "Scud" East, Tom Brown's School Days) and Harry Flashman. That's four. Arguably, the Tom Brown articles don't belong in either as they are minor characters in the Flashman series, and East is unreferenced and barely even notable anyway. So basically we've got an additional navbox just to accommodate the Tom Brown crossover articles. A merge would be simple. --woodensuperman 16:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 07:25, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
I understand that this page is a sandbox but the page creator just pasted in a copy of their draft found at Draft:Riemann hypothesis information. This seems like an effort to give their hypothesis more visibility and doesn't have much to do with this Barnstar. Liz Read! Talk! 06:02, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Not a sandbox of the template. Also, not something that belongs in a template. Gonnym (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:AFL Yar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template; only linked from itself. MikeVitale 02:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as not needed as {{Australian Football League team}} exists. Gonnym (talk) 11:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:AFL Wal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template; only linked from itself. MikeVitale 02:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: These individual AFL team link templates are no longer needed, since {{AFL}} was repurposed to provide links to any team in the league. Some folks from the project are sensitive about outsiders messing with "their" templates, though. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:42, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Can we be sensitive about unnecessary snarkiness too?
- These don't seem to be valid parameters in {{AFL}}, so unless they are added, it's an irrelevant point. Them being "unused" is also irrelevant, as they are often used subst, as shortcuts. The-Pope (talk) 09:29, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as not needed as {{Australian Football League team}} exists. Gonnym (talk) 11:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:AFL Nar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template; only linked from itself. MikeVitale 02:14, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as not needed as {{Australian Football League team}} exists. Gonnym (talk) 11:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:AC35 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template; only linked from itself. MikeVitale 02:14, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Created 14 years ago so if this was actually needed, it would have been in use. Either the problem does not exist anymore or there are other ways to handle it. Gonnym (talk) 11:10, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Korf-big (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template; only linked from itself. MikeVitale 02:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Backmasked-b (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template; only linked from itself. MikeVitale 02:01, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Backmasked-f (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template; only linked from itself. MikeVitale 02:00, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Crumb family (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Robert Crumb (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Crumb family with Template:Robert Crumb.
Either we keep this navbox for the {{Crumb family}}, and remove the links from {{Robert Crumb}}, or we merge the two together. We do not need both. --woodensuperman 09:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Crumb, nix the family. The family members are already listed on the main Crumb template, so no need for a separate and small navbox. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:20, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
seems redundant to navigation already in Template:Inter Kashi FC Frietjes (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 11:11, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
Only links two articles other than the main one. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 16:25, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. If wanted, the blue links could be added to Template:Skyscrapers in Russia which has at the bottom a "tallest building" section. Gonnym (talk) 11:13, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
This list isn't even replicated in the article, why do we need to navigate between people here? --woodensuperman 11:36, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. If the list isn't in the article, that means that the list is currently unsourced and might be non-notable. A navbox should always be based on content from articles. Gonnym (talk) 11:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:100 most common surnames in mainland China (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:101–200 Most Common Family Names in mainland China (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
A list of most common surnames is not a suitable topic for a navbox. There's no article corresponding article, and why would anyone need to navigate between unrelated surnames anyway? --woodensuperman 11:34, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The corresponding article is List of common Chinese surnames, which is unreasonably big to dig through. We have a lot of articles on individual Chinese surnames, which due to a relative distribution inverse to how forenames and surnames work in the West, are often independently notable. The idea that common Chinese surnames are not a suitable navigational topic displays a lack of understanding of this distribution: as of 2020, the five most common surnames accounted for 30.8% of the population, and the top 100 accounted for nearly 85%.This template is a fine tool to navigate between individual surname articles (even if the surname articles themselves act as cruft magnets like many set index articles), and more relevant and objective than a navbox based on the Hundred Family Surnames like zh:模板:百家姓列表.Also you should have nominated Template:101–200 Most Common Family Names in mainland China alongside this, which indicates to me you haven't looked into the navigational situation regarding this topic area at all. Both of these templates have 100 bluelinks, over 100 transclusions, and sources.Surname frequency statistics are a topic of academic interest in China and have been for at least a millennium, so this is a reasonable set of articles for navboxes, and they reduce the burden of navigating through a giant list article or Category:Individual Chinese surnames (271). Hopefully that answers all your questions. Folly Mox (talk) 14:47, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, have included in nomination. The fact that there are two navboxes actually adds weight to my argument, as it shows that you cannot actually navigate from #98 to #104. Also, some of the names are on both navboxes, so the data is wrong. We should be using the articles here, not unnecessary navboxes. --woodensuperman 14:52, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see how that adds weight to your argument, but I suppose since we disagree here that would be expected of me. No update to the incorrect assertion of
no corresponding article
? And I take it I haven't satisfactorily answered your question as to why people would want to navigate between these articles easily? Folly Mox (talk) 14:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC)- Because it's pretty useless if you haven't even got the full list and the data differs between the templates. A few of the names are on both navboxes. And why stop the navboxes at 200? Why not 400? And no, you haven't answered why anyone would want to navigate between say #47 and #99 on the list. If someone was interested in the distribution or frequency statistics, they would be looking at an article, not a navbox. This isn't what a navbox is for. --woodensuperman 15:11, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- The two lists are what we have sources for, and there are overlaps and lacunae due to relative frequency changes between the datasets (and possibly methodology). Ftr, I'm kinda neutral on the second template: the most common 100 surnames is a topic with deep pedigree; the next-most common 100 are more of a niche interest area in demographics and anthroponymy.I see navigating between related topics as the fundamental purpose of a navbox, but I understand your position from the assumption that the topics are not related (I assume the opposite, having some background in the subject).Btw, I've notified WikiProject China and WikiProject Anthroponymy using the standard TfD notice. Folly Mox (talk) 15:41, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- So are you really saying that multiple editors would find cause to navigate between Deng (Chinese surname) and Jia (surname) using the navbox rather than actually see the names in context in an article? As far as I can see, your "keep" !vote justifies an article, it does not demonstrate the necessity for a template to navigate between unrelated surnames. --woodensuperman 15:48, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- That is because – as we've established – you see the bluelinks as unrelated, whereas I see them as related. Folly Mox (talk) 21:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Can you explain why muliple readers would need to navigate between these articles in this manner? A navbox like this fails nearly all the points at WP:NAVBOX. This is a list article masquerading as a navbox. --woodensuperman 14:05, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- That is because – as we've established – you see the bluelinks as unrelated, whereas I see them as related. Folly Mox (talk) 21:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- So are you really saying that multiple editors would find cause to navigate between Deng (Chinese surname) and Jia (surname) using the navbox rather than actually see the names in context in an article? As far as I can see, your "keep" !vote justifies an article, it does not demonstrate the necessity for a template to navigate between unrelated surnames. --woodensuperman 15:48, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- The two lists are what we have sources for, and there are overlaps and lacunae due to relative frequency changes between the datasets (and possibly methodology). Ftr, I'm kinda neutral on the second template: the most common 100 surnames is a topic with deep pedigree; the next-most common 100 are more of a niche interest area in demographics and anthroponymy.I see navigating between related topics as the fundamental purpose of a navbox, but I understand your position from the assumption that the topics are not related (I assume the opposite, having some background in the subject).Btw, I've notified WikiProject China and WikiProject Anthroponymy using the standard TfD notice. Folly Mox (talk) 15:41, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Because it's pretty useless if you haven't even got the full list and the data differs between the templates. A few of the names are on both navboxes. And why stop the navboxes at 200? Why not 400? And no, you haven't answered why anyone would want to navigate between say #47 and #99 on the list. If someone was interested in the distribution or frequency statistics, they would be looking at an article, not a navbox. This isn't what a navbox is for. --woodensuperman 15:11, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see how that adds weight to your argument, but I suppose since we disagree here that would be expected of me. No update to the incorrect assertion of
- Thanks, have included in nomination. The fact that there are two navboxes actually adds weight to my argument, as it shows that you cannot actually navigate from #98 to #104. Also, some of the names are on both navboxes, so the data is wrong. We should be using the articles here, not unnecessary navboxes. --woodensuperman 14:52, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep both, easier to use than the list article. I could support deleting most navboxes, but this one seems less useless than the insane collection at the bottom of the article Boris Johnson. —Kusma (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Is that then not something that needs addressing with the article, rather than forcing navbox usage? --woodensuperman 17:33, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete 101-200 as the article does not have that list, which means that this is WP:OR or non-notable and unencyclopedic. Gonnym (talk) 19:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- It's certainly not OR (and is the topic of an academic study, its cited source). I think that makes it technically valid as an article topic, which I accept is a different type of object than a navigation box. Folly Mox (talk) 21:47, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- It is WP:OR in the wiki sense as the content isn't based on any sources (and navboxes should not have references). If the list is added as content to articles, then that is a different thing. Gonnym (talk) 11:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm having quite a bit of difficulty locating the 2013 Fuxi Cultural Association (中華伏羲文化研究會) research that is claimed to be the basis for the 101–200 template (maybe it should have been linked as a reference in the navbox 😉). Apart from the claimed source for the navbox, it appears in body text in a few articles – both here and on zh.wp – but I've yet to locate a link.As with most content, I don't think being unsourced on its own is a great reason for deletion, but the case to remove the second template is there. I'll dig around some more. Folly Mox (talk) 13:49, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- It is WP:OR in the wiki sense as the content isn't based on any sources (and navboxes should not have references). If the list is added as content to articles, then that is a different thing. Gonnym (talk) 11:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- It's certainly not OR (and is the topic of an academic study, its cited source). I think that makes it technically valid as an article topic, which I accept is a different type of object than a navigation box. Folly Mox (talk) 21:47, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, seems useful for a reader who's reading about common Chinese surnames. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:04, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Articles are for reading about surnames, Navboxes are for navigating between related articles. These surnames are unrelated other than appearing in a list. --woodensuperman 20:30, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- woodensuperman, as a genuine question, how do you feel about Template:F5, EF5, and IF5 tornadoes, an unsourced navbox for navigating between unrelated tornadoes? If you're willing to elaborate, where is the threshold for a group of topics being "related" in your opinion? Folly Mox (talk) 13:40, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- That's a poor navbox, most of the links are redirects to sections, not articles, but has no bearing on this navbox so irrelevant here. --woodensuperman 13:47, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Agree on
no bearing
. Was just trying to get a feel for your perspective on what constitutes "related". Thanks, Folly Mox (talk) 13:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Agree on
- That's a poor navbox, most of the links are redirects to sections, not articles, but has no bearing on this navbox so irrelevant here. --woodensuperman 13:47, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- woodensuperman, as a genuine question, how do you feel about Template:F5, EF5, and IF5 tornadoes, an unsourced navbox for navigating between unrelated tornadoes? If you're willing to elaborate, where is the threshold for a group of topics being "related" in your opinion? Folly Mox (talk) 13:40, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Articles are for reading about surnames, Navboxes are for navigating between related articles. These surnames are unrelated other than appearing in a list. --woodensuperman 20:30, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
A copy template from {{uw-socksuspect}}. see similar template by same creator: Template:SPI-discussion-note. ––kemel49(connect)(contri) 03:50, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Read my reasoning in the other SP note.
- ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ (he/they) Talk to me 03:50, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. We don't need more of the same templates. If a feature is missing, propose it on the template page and see if has consensu. Gonnym (talk) 11:18, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
This template is a pure copy of {{uw-socksuspect}}. ––kemel49(connect)(contri) 03:47, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Atleast keep the note for the puppeteer itself. ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ (he/they) Talk to me 03:48, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep My templates have both use cases, so for the puppeteer and suspected puppet.
- ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ (he/they) Talk to me 03:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- The already existed template might have lack that feature, but they simply notify any user and link to their sockpuppet investigation page, from where they can find more details about that case.––kemel49(connect)(contri) 03:55, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. We don't need more of the same templates. If a feature is missing, propose it on the template page and see if has consensu. Gonnym (talk) 11:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Colort/2row (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused color template — all Template:Colort templates use Template:colort/1row, which has better legibility for the color swatch. See Special:Permalink/1273596157 for comparison on Template:Colornames. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:21, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- I just updated the template to improve legibility and display correltly in dark mode, so the concern about legibility compared to 1row no longer applies. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:12, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as unused. Since it has no documentation, I have no idea why it was created and can only judge it for what it looks like now. Gonnym (talk) 11:19, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
Only used on the single article Phidippus audax; it would be better to have this information stored in that article instead. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:42, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Not adequately sourced, including attribution of names in standard taxonomic format. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:20, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
WP:NENAN, none of the contestants has its own article. Most links go to the Indonesian Wikipedia. The Banner talk 00:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom.––kemel49(connect)(contri) 03:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:NHL on Versus (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NHL on NBC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:NHL on Versus into Template:NHL on NBC.
The NHL on Versus page was merged into the NHL on NBC page a while back. 100.7.34.111 (talk) 12:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
- For clarification, the reason I'm proposing a merger is the same as back then - the two templates are about what might as well be the same program, given the common ownership and similarities in coverage the two programs had. 100.7.34.111 (talk) 13:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:03, 2 February 2025 (UTC)- Merge per nom. --MikeVitale 02:03, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment On February 2nd, an IP wrote a whole article about the NHL on Versus. Worgisbor (Talking's fun!) 16:59, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Level Of Peace (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unsourced/WP:OR map template describing how peaceful European countries are, ranging from "Never Peace" through "More Danger" and "Half Peace" to "Peace/Never War". The first line of Warna Itu menandakan tingkat Kedamaian bukan Index.
autotranslates to That color indicates the level of Peace not the Index.
Belbury (talk) 19:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as not serving WP purposes. Renata•3 03:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/categories (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/collapsed (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/link (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/name (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/shield (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused sub-templates of Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads. Gonnym (talk) 14:31, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Campaignbox Russo-Turkish War (1710-1713) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused Campaignbox with one link. Isn't useful for navigation. Gonnym (talk) 10:43, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused roster template that hasnt been updated in 5 years for a team that no longer exists by that name. Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
Created in 2009 and unused so this seems this isn't something that is in need here. Gonnym (talk) 10:34, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- As creator, no objections. Can't remember why I made this. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 10:50, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused sports roster table. Gonnym (talk) 10:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --MikeVitale 15:05, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:PlayerW (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused sports roster table. Gonnym (talk) 10:31, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --MikeVitale 15:01, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:PlayerWAS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused sports roster table. Gonnym (talk) 10:31, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --MikeVitale 15:01, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
should be merged with 2012 Essendon Football Club season the other transclusion can be handled with WP:LST or Template:excerpt Frietjes (talk) 17:27, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:11, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
single-use template which should be merged with 2013 Essendon Football Club season Frietjes (talk) 17:26, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:11, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
unused after being merged with the 2011 article. Frietjes (talk) 17:23, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:11, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:2010 St Helens RLFC squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2011 St Helens RLFC squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
unused after being merged with the 2010 and 2011 articles. Frietjes (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:11, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Preity Zinta (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Four links in the navbox. All articles are connected to one another through the respective articles. Not much navigation with this navbox. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Google series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unnecessary duplication of the {{Google LLC}} navbox. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:11, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Misleading and rather useless. C F A 21:09, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - It's only there for a joke (it quite literally says that it's used for humourous purposes), and I use it to scare bad IPs off my talk page. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:07, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- OK, but it's not really a joke — it's just misleading. I don't think it scares anyone off. C F A 04:19, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- In my opinion, it might be misleading (when I saw this template at first), but if you're on a desktop and hover over that fake semi icon, it's going to say this isn't semi protected. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 05:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- It also says that it's not meant to be taken seriously (eg as a joke) 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 05:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- OK, but it's not really a joke — it's just misleading. I don't think it scares anyone off. C F A 04:19, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - It's only there for a joke (it quite literally says that it's used for humourous purposes), and I use it to scare bad IPs off my talk page. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:07, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SMI. Gonnym (talk) 10:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- • Comment It isn't a userpage Ned1a Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 02:46, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete -
I use it to scare bad IPs off my talk page.
makes it quite clear that the purpose is to mislead. Totally inappropriate. - Whpq (talk) 16:33, 2 February 2025 (UTC)- Maybe in your opinion.... When IPs find the template that it has humour they might just as well vandalise- it doesn't scare off every bad IP. That is not an inappropriate reason in any way, especially when it's not to be taken seriously. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 03:00, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- • Oppose It literally has {{humor}}. So do not take it seriously. Ned1a Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 02:46, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: It's okay to use things like this as humor as long as they aren't used in mainspace. 174.160.82.127 (talk) 18:01, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused after all IAP-xx template have been deleted. Gonnym (talk) 10:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused WNBA table templates. Gonnym (talk) 10:03, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Template was removed from the Border–Gavaskar Trophy page on 7 January without explanation (Special:Diff/1267898377), I have re-added it. JP (Talk) 12:00, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete pointless as a template. Could be converted to an image, but either way, don't see the value of this- and definitely not in template space. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: no need for a template, only used in one page. Vestrian24Bio 11:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Timeline of attacks on the United States during the American Civil War (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused timeline template. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Lang-ku-Arab (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused language template. {{Langx}} can cover this. Gonnym (talk) 10:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think there's a reason why this is still around, see Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27/lang-?? templates#excluded templates. Yeshivish613 (talk) 22:07, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- That was a reason why it wasn't included in that TfD, not the reason why it should be kept. It was created 17 years ago and has 0 transclusions, that means the community does not want or need it. Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused. A different table is used at Finn Youth World Championship. Gonnym (talk) 09:58, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused. I've added TemplateData directly to the doc page. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused. None of the blue links are current players in the team. Gonnym (talk) 09:55, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as not enough notable players play for the team, so template isn't needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:10, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused as the correctly named Template:Portland Hearts of Pine squad is the one used. Gonnym (talk) 09:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as redundant duplicate. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:20, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused recently created template. Its addition was reverted at 2024–25 Segunda División. Gonnym (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 03:12, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:2024–25 Primera Federación Group 1 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Primera Federación Group 2 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused recently created templates. Their additions were reverted at 2024–25 Primera Federación. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused recently created template. Its addition was reverted at 2024–25 Premier League. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:2024–25 Gamma Ethniki Group 1 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Gamma Ethniki Group 2 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Gamma Ethniki Group 3 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Gamma Ethniki Group 4 table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused recently created templates. Their additions were reverted at 2024–25 Gamma Ethniki. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:46, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:2024–25 EFL League One table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 EFL League Two table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused recently created templates. Their additions were reverted at 2024–25 EFL League One. Gonnym (talk) 09:41, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:46, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 1 Group ACFF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 1 Group VV (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused recently created templates. Their additions were reverted at 2024–25 Belgian Division 1. Gonnym (talk) 09:40, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:46, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 09:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Piechart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Pie chart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Piechart with Template:Pie chart.
We should not have two templates with nearly identical names performing what appears to be identical functions. Primefac (talk) 09:04, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi. The syntax of parameters is different, but it should be possible to convert one syntax into the other. This could be done automatically by a bot, and would make Template:Pie chart obsolete. Another option is integrating the Module:Piechart into the older Template:Pie chart and just refresh it a bit.
- We already discussed some options with @Rjjiii. I think he can say more. As I understand, he had some more concrete ideas. Nux (talk) 23:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merging may be the best solution after Nux's recent improvements to the newer template. Anything {{pie chart}} can do, {{piechart}} and Module:piechart can also do. {{pie chart}} is the older template; it is more limited and has several unresolved bugs. There are things the newer module-based template can do, that {{pie chart}} cannot. I started working on {{pie chart/sandbox2}} to convert the older template into a wrapper for the newer one, with examples at Template:Pie chart/testcases. I both transcluded and substed the sandbox2 template in this demo to show the differences in syntax.
- {{pie chart}} problems:
- On major browsers, the chart sometimes "is escaping" from the box.[1]
- On various browsers (more than mentioned on the talk page), the template renders a kind of crosshair graphical glitch.[2][3]
- "No labels can be put on the slices themselves." (Module:piechart has a tooltip.) [4]
- Errors occur when calculating the "other" value.[5]
- Accessibility problems are caused by the pseudo list (MOS:NOBREAKS).
- There are several things to resolve before merging:
- Module:piechart and Template:piechart are currently set up to expect JSON, which will baffle some editors and will work oddly with the Visual Editor.
- Module:piechart does not seem to accept colors generated by templates, which editors are currently doing with Template:Pie chart on about 600 pages.
- The footer parameter is not yet implemented.
- I recently added TemplateData to Template:Pie chart to see if some of the oddball parameters (like style) are being used in articles. This should generate a parameter usage report soon:[6]
- Hope that helps! Rjjiii (talk) 05:36, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- As the creator of Template:Pie chart (the older, much more widely used one), here's my perspective. Edited to add: I started writing this comment before User:Rjjiii posted theirs above.
- About 14 years ago, about 44% of page requests from desktop browsers were from Internet Explorer (roughly one-tenth of which were from IE6), so editors obviously would not adopt any graph-drawing template that did not support IE. Also, it would be another couple of years before Lua scripting became available through Scribunto, rather than having to rely on ParserFunctions for all calculations and logic. That, in my opinion, made it too complicated to support arbitrary starting angles.
- IE8 was the latest version at the time and did not support the standard CSS transforms. (Support was added in IE9, which was released for Windows Vista and 7 – not XP – about three months after I created the template.) Neither could the IE-specific matrix filter be used for rotating slices based on arbitrary values from wikitext, because a MediaWiki security patch earlier that year blocked the use of such filters. Hence the use of several workarounds in the original versions of the code:
- The first was to use border widths to draw diagonally, which required splitting slices that spanned quadrants.
- The second was to use an image overlay to work around the lack of border-radius or clip-path for clipping off the parts lying outside the circle. (Note that this worked for IE6 without additional hacks, provided that JavaScript was enabled.)
- The third was to add code to common.css to work around the lack of transparent border-color support in IE6. (This could use the IE-specific chroma filter because the code did not go through Sanitizer.)
- Also, if I remember correctly (and I may not), using tan in one place instead of sin and cos was yet another IE6 workaround.
- Of course, the third workaround was removed, and so was the second. If eliminating the first workaround can be done without introducing new problems or worsening existing ones, I think I would definitely support that. One possible problem area is printing. Currently, Template:Pie chart's legend does not print correctly without "Print backgrounds", because Template:Legend uses background-color. However, in Template:Piechart, this seems to be true for the actual slices as well.
- My preference for the name of the merged template is "Pie chart", not "Piechart". It's two separate words, and Piechart didn't even exist as a redirect at the time I started writing this comment. As for the syntax differences, I don't think converting the template to use JSON makes sense. JSON was designed as a serialization format that happens to be human-readable and human-writable, not primarily as a configuration language for use by non-programmers. Pie charts are relatively simple, so let's just use standard wikitext parameters, and save JSON for more complex things, such as map data (though if there are other significant existing uses of JSON in articles, I would like to see them, and I may change my opinion).
- In summary, merge Template:Piechart into Template:Pie chart to make good use of Lua scripting and to eliminate the border-width workaround for drawing diagonally if possible. Continue using standard wikitext parameters unless there is a good reason to change. PleaseStand (talk) 07:49, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge due to messes between slices in this chart. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 10:24, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
NFL minor coaching staff navboxes
[edit]- Template:NFL defensive back coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL defensive line coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL linebacker coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL offensive line coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL quarterback coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL running back coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL special teams coordinators (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL strength and conditioning coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL tight end coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:NFL wide receiver coaches (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
These are minor assistant roles within their respective teams. Head coaches, offensive coordinators, and defensive coordinators have their own articles to connect back to unlike these. It is also tedious to constantly maintain. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:07, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well, I mean, I find them pretty useful at least... I know that alone isn't enough to keep but I think it'd be a shame to get rid of these... BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- I still think Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/List of current National Football League staffs should be moved back to mainspace. A lot of the coaches (like the ones in these navboxes) are notable, it's not just a list of random names. Readers can't easily find these staffs anymore without opening up 32 different pages. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- I agree, I reference this page a fair bit. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: I'd say navboxes being useful, even if an article isn't tied to them, is still a valid reason to keep. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:15, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- I still think Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/List of current National Football League staffs should be moved back to mainspace. A lot of the coaches (like the ones in these navboxes) are notable, it's not just a list of random names. Readers can't easily find these staffs anymore without opening up 32 different pages. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
No transclusions. Created as an experiment, apparently, in May 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Jonesey95, the template has only been viewed 143 times since it was created. Most may not yet know that this template exists. This is not a template that can be used in articles or most other places except that I wrote in the documentation "This can be used with other templates, ParserFunctions and singular and plural cases". See how we used it in our project to create +11,000 articles and found it important so I exported it to the English wiki. Still, if you find it useless, please feel free to delete it. thank you ⇒ AramTalk 18:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Template:Men's national goalball team big (and similar)
[edit]- Template:Men's national goalball team big (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Women's national goalball team big (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2012. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:11, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:2024–25 Super League Greece 2 North Group table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Super League Greece 2 South Group table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused newly created sports table templates. 2024–25 Super League Greece 2 already has the data and it is the standard not to use templates for these. Gonnym (talk) 16:31, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete, not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Plastikspork (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 16:16, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused newly created sports table template. 2024–25 EFL Championship already has the data and it is the standard not to use templates for these. Gonnym (talk) 16:29, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete, not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 3 Group VVA (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 3 Group VVB (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused newly created sports table templates. 2024–25 Belgian Division 3 already has the data and it is the standard not to use templates for these. Gonnym (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete, not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 2 Group ACFF (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 2 Group VVA (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:2024–25 Belgian Division 2 Group VVB (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused newly created sports table templates. 2024–25 Belgian Division 2 already has the data and it is the standard not to use templates for these. Gonnym (talk) 16:27, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete, not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused as template was subst into 2021–22 BCL Americas. Gonnym (talk) 16:24, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete, not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused as template was subst into 2019 WCBA Playoffs. Gonnym (talk) 16:23, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete, not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused as template was subst into 2018 WCBA Playoffs. Gonnym (talk) 16:22, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete, not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Unused as template was subst into 2011–12 NBL Canada season. Gonnym (talk) 16:21, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- delete, not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Navigation template with a backlink to a complete other subject Gaelic games The Banner talk 02:15, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Additional: navigation template for a non-existing subject. The Banner talk 13:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't really understand this rationale. If there is a single backlink (the one at the top?) that needs to be corrected or improved, then that can be fixed. Otherwise the rest of the navbox and its members meet most WP:NAVBOX criteria (all relate to same topic, many/most refer to each other, they are categorised together [and that categorisation isn't indiscriminate and is verifiable], if not for the navbox editors would be inclined to include many of these articles in "See also sections", etc). If we're pointing, only, to a very narrow reading of NAVBOX criteria #4 ("
There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template
"), then I think that - alone - isn't sufficient to warrant deletion. (Again, while the nominator has - quite correctly in a lot of cases IMO - nominated a lot of under-populated and narrowly-focused GAA navboxes for deletion, I think that crusade/project/whatever is extending perhaps a bit further than necessary. This template is not akin to the templates grouping non-notable members of an intermediate club team that won a county competition in 1995...) Guliolopez (talk) 11:16, 22 January 2025 (UTC) - Delete Just a collection of links that are not associated with another except being part of the same sport. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:45, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:22, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawal. (non-admin closure) (non-admin closure) ZandDev 20:39, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- Template:B1 RDT (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused as B1 (New York City bus) was redirected at AfD. Gonnym (talk) 12:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: added to appropriate article. Useddenim (talk) 15:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on its current usage?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:20, 29 January 2025 (UTC)- Withdrawn as now in use. Gonnym (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
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Old discussions
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Just 4 awards but no article exists for the RTE Sports Awards The Banner talk 03:03, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:49, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. I've added a link for the titular topic. Personally I'd keep this. As, while not technically/fully meeting criteria 4 ("[standalone] article on the subject of the template"), it meets criteria 1 ("relate to single/coherent subject"), 3 ("articles should [ideally] refer to each other") and 5 ("[otherwise precipitates extended] "See also" sections]). Guliolopez (talk) 12:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 06:23, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Merge content into the navbox on RTE Sports if desired. Izno (talk) 05:35, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- weak keep or merge into {{RTÉ}} or broaden to a {{RTÉ Sport}} navbox (which doesn't exist right now). Frietjes (talk) 16:36, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Completed discussions
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